(14-07-2016, 12:24)cpp2808 escribió: [ -> ] (12-07-2016, 12:41)enrike hu fr escribió: [ -> ]Symonds se queja de la ventaja de los probadores de los neumáticos de 2017
En los test de Pirelli sólo participarán Mercedes, Ferrari y Red Bull
Pat Symonds cree que los tres mejores equipos actuales de la Fórmula 1 tendrán ventaja cuando se estrenen los neumáticos de Pirelli en 2017. Esta opinión parte del hecho de que las tres escuderías más fuertes de la parrilla actual serán la referencia para el fabricante de gomas a la hora de probarlos.
Por Ricardo Daniel Hulett
http://www.caranddriverthef1.com/formula...=hootsuite
Yo ya dije que esto iba y por desgracia será una desventaja...
No me queda claro con que coches están probando.
Según he leído, RB estaría probando con el de 2013. De Ferrari he encontrado contradicciones, he leído en algunos sitios que están con el coche de 2014 y en otros con el de 2015.
Williams se queja de que ellos no pueden ir al test, no porque no les dejen, sino porque es muy caro y no se lo pueden permitir.
De McLaren me queda la duda, según sean los test con coches de 2014 (en cuyo caso no podrían porque tenían motores Mercedes por entonces) o si son coches de 2015, que si podrían aunque el motor les dejase tirados cada 2 vueltas.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/07/14/vettel-and-alonso-who-will-have-the-last-laugh/
Vettel and Alonso: Who will have the last laugh?
2016 F1 seasonPosted on 14th July 2016, 13:24Author Keith Collantine
When the V6 hybrid turbo era began it swiftly became clear Mercedes had replaced Red Bull as the team to beat.
But with Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg unlikely to be unseated from the team it left F1’s other top drivers wondering who might be best placed to challenge them in the near future.
In the closing stages of 2014 Fernando Alonso and Sebastian Vettel – the only multiple champions racing in F1 at the time – both decided their best opportunity lay outside their current teams.
Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari, Sepang International Circuit, 2015
Vettel and Ferrari got off to a dream start
Alonso, frustrated after five years during which Ferrari seemed to get progressively less competitive, cut his contract short by two years and made a sensational return to McLaren.
Vettel, who knew first-hand how much trouble Renault were in with their engine and had suffered a bruising season alongside new team mate Daniel Ricciardo, followed his heart to Ferrari followed his heart to Ferrari to replace Alonso in a bid to recreate the team’s years of glory with Michael Schumacher.
Their fortunes could scarcely have contrasted more sharply in the first two races after the switch. Alonso spent the Australian Grand Prix on the sidelines after suffering concussion during a testing accident. Meanwhile Vettel and Ferrari scored an opportunistic victory together in Malaysia.
By the time the curtain came down on the season Vettel had taken a total of three wins. In contrast Alonso had finished in the points just twice, and left Honda in no doubt what he thought of their “GP2 engine” at the Japanese manufacturer’s home grand prix.
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However neither driver switched teams expecting they would become championship contenders immediately. The true test was always going to be which team would narrow the gap to Mercedes over the coming seasons. And with the first half of 2016 almost done, McLaren are making strides while Ferrari has fallen further behind than it was at any stage last year:
Ferrari and McLaren’s deficit to the fastest car, 2015-present (%)
Deficit to fastest car - per race
Ferrari
McLaren
Australia 2015
Bahrain 2015
Canada 2015
Hungary 2015
Singapore 2…
USA 2015
Abu Dhabi 2…
China 2016
Monaco 2016
Austria 2016
0
2
4
6
Race
% deficit to fastest car
Team Ferrari McLaren
Australia 2015 1,64 5,86
Malaysia 2015 0,37 2,38
China 2015 0,94 3,65
Bahrain 2015 0,44 2,67
Spain 2015 0,92 3,64
Monaco 2015 1 2,66
Canada 2015 0,83 2,53
Austria 2015 0,52 3,33
Britain 2015 1,23 2,94
Hungary 2015 0,88 3,1
Belgium 2015 1,46 3,53
Italy 2015 0,23 3,21
Singapore 2015 0 2,35
Japan 2015 0,71 2,38
Russia 2015 0,88 2,7
USA 2015 0,66 2,34
Mexico 2015 0,47 2,89
Brazil 2015 0,73 3,01
Abu Dhabi 2015 0,81 2,33
Australia 2016 1 2,73
Bahrain 2016 0,58 2,73
China 2016 0,6 2,3
Russia 2016 0,97 2,48
Spain 2016 1,36 2,42
Monaco 2016 0,95 2,02
Canada 2016 0,24 1,99
Europe 2016 1,41 2,68
Austria 2016 0,56 2,03
Great Britain 2016 1,64 2,74
Deficit to fastest car - five-race average
Ferrari
McLaren
Spain 2015
Austria 2015
Belgium 2015
Japan 2015
Mexico 2015
Australia 2016
Russia 2016
Canada 2016
Great Britain…
0
2
4
6
Race
% deficit to fastest car
Team Ferrari McLaren
Spain 2015 0,862 3,64
Monaco 2015 0,734 3
Canada 2015 0,826 3,03
Austria 2015 0,742 2,966
Britain 2015 0,9 3,02
Hungary 2015 0,892 2,912
Belgium 2015 0,984 3,086
Italy 2015 0,864 3,222
Singapore 2015 0,76 3,026
Japan 2015 0,656 2,914
Russia 2015 0,656 2,834
USA 2015 0,496 2,596
Mexico 2015 0,544 2,532
Brazil 2015 0,69 2,664
Abu Dhabi 2015 0,71 2,654
Australia 2016 0,734 2,66
Bahrain 2016 0,718 2,738
China 2016 0,744 2,62
Russia 2016 0,792 2,514
Spain 2016 0,902 2,532
Monaco 2016 0,892 2,39
Canada 2016 0,824 2,242
Europe 2016 0,986 2,318
Austria 2016 0,904 2,228
Great Britain 2016 0,96 2,292
Outright performance is not the only problem. While it’s to be expected McLaren would suffer endless teething trouble throughout 2015 while it effectively conducted Honda’s testing at race weekends, Ferrari’s reliability could once be taken for granted.
Not any more. Vettel has already had three five-place grid penalties for gearbox changes this year and retired before the race even started in Bahrain due to a power unit fault.
Sebastian Vettel, Fernando Alonso, Shanghai International Circuit, 2016
How long will it be until McLaren leads Ferrari?
Vettel’s growing dissatisfaction was plain to see from his onboard camera at the end of final practice at Silverstone last week as he gestured in frustration after his latest gearbox glitch. Is he beginning to realise what drove Alonso to leave the team in 2014?
Even during the nadir of Alonso’s first year back at McLaren he never expressed the slightest remorse at leaving Ferrari. He even said he should have done so sooner.
Of course Alonso was never likely to express remorse at having left Ferrari. But perhaps he knew what Vettel is now starting to appreciate. At the end of last year he pointed out Ferrari’s strong season was at least as much due to the failure of other teams rather than their own success – and he had a point.
And of course it’s easier for McLaren to find ways of closing the gap to Mercedes when they are two seconds behind than it is for Ferrari when they are one second behind. But which is the better bet for the future.
Next year Formula One will adopt new aerodynamic regulations which McLaren pushed for. It’s an area Ferrari has traditionally struggled in compared to its rivals. That’s another reason why Alonso believes McLaren will catch Ferrari before Ferrari catch Mercedes.
(14-07-2016, 16:02)maripi escribió: [ -> ]http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/07/14/vettel-and-alonso-who-will-have-the-last-laugh/
Vettel and Alonso: Who will have the last laugh?
2016 F1 seasonPosted on 14th July 2016, 13:24Author Keith Collantine
When the V6 hybrid turbo era began it swiftly became clear Mercedes had replaced Red Bull as the team to beat.
But with Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg unlikely to be unseated from the team it left F1’s other top drivers wondering who might be best placed to challenge them in the near future.
In the closing stages of 2014 Fernando Alonso and Sebastian Vettel – the only multiple champions racing in F1 at the time – both decided their best opportunity lay outside their current teams.
Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari, Sepang International Circuit, 2015
Vettel and Ferrari got off to a dream start
Alonso, frustrated after five years during which Ferrari seemed to get progressively less competitive, cut his contract short by two years and made a sensational return to McLaren.
Vettel, who knew first-hand how much trouble Renault were in with their engine and had suffered a bruising season alongside new team mate Daniel Ricciardo, followed his heart to Ferrari followed his heart to Ferrari to replace Alonso in a bid to recreate the team’s years of glory with Michael Schumacher.
Their fortunes could scarcely have contrasted more sharply in the first two races after the switch. Alonso spent the Australian Grand Prix on the sidelines after suffering concussion during a testing accident. Meanwhile Vettel and Ferrari scored an opportunistic victory together in Malaysia.
By the time the curtain came down on the season Vettel had taken a total of three wins. In contrast Alonso had finished in the points just twice, and left Honda in no doubt what he thought of their “GP2 engine” at the Japanese manufacturer’s home grand prix.
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However neither driver switched teams expecting they would become championship contenders immediately. The true test was always going to be which team would narrow the gap to Mercedes over the coming seasons. And with the first half of 2016 almost done, McLaren are making strides while Ferrari has fallen further behind than it was at any stage last year:
Ferrari and McLaren’s deficit to the fastest car, 2015-present (%)
Deficit to fastest car - per race
Ferrari
McLaren
Australia 2015
Bahrain 2015
Canada 2015
Hungary 2015
Singapore 2…
USA 2015
Abu Dhabi 2…
China 2016
Monaco 2016
Austria 2016
0
2
4
6
Race
% deficit to fastest car
Team Ferrari McLaren
Australia 2015 1,64 5,86
Malaysia 2015 0,37 2,38
China 2015 0,94 3,65
Bahrain 2015 0,44 2,67
Spain 2015 0,92 3,64
Monaco 2015 1 2,66
Canada 2015 0,83 2,53
Austria 2015 0,52 3,33
Britain 2015 1,23 2,94
Hungary 2015 0,88 3,1
Belgium 2015 1,46 3,53
Italy 2015 0,23 3,21
Singapore 2015 0 2,35
Japan 2015 0,71 2,38
Russia 2015 0,88 2,7
USA 2015 0,66 2,34
Mexico 2015 0,47 2,89
Brazil 2015 0,73 3,01
Abu Dhabi 2015 0,81 2,33
Australia 2016 1 2,73
Bahrain 2016 0,58 2,73
China 2016 0,6 2,3
Russia 2016 0,97 2,48
Spain 2016 1,36 2,42
Monaco 2016 0,95 2,02
Canada 2016 0,24 1,99
Europe 2016 1,41 2,68
Austria 2016 0,56 2,03
Great Britain 2016 1,64 2,74
Deficit to fastest car - five-race average
Ferrari
McLaren
Spain 2015
Austria 2015
Belgium 2015
Japan 2015
Mexico 2015
Australia 2016
Russia 2016
Canada 2016
Great Britain…
0
2
4
6
Race
% deficit to fastest car
Team Ferrari McLaren
Spain 2015 0,862 3,64
Monaco 2015 0,734 3
Canada 2015 0,826 3,03
Austria 2015 0,742 2,966
Britain 2015 0,9 3,02
Hungary 2015 0,892 2,912
Belgium 2015 0,984 3,086
Italy 2015 0,864 3,222
Singapore 2015 0,76 3,026
Japan 2015 0,656 2,914
Russia 2015 0,656 2,834
USA 2015 0,496 2,596
Mexico 2015 0,544 2,532
Brazil 2015 0,69 2,664
Abu Dhabi 2015 0,71 2,654
Australia 2016 0,734 2,66
Bahrain 2016 0,718 2,738
China 2016 0,744 2,62
Russia 2016 0,792 2,514
Spain 2016 0,902 2,532
Monaco 2016 0,892 2,39
Canada 2016 0,824 2,242
Europe 2016 0,986 2,318
Austria 2016 0,904 2,228
Great Britain 2016 0,96 2,292
Outright performance is not the only problem. While it’s to be expected McLaren would suffer endless teething trouble throughout 2015 while it effectively conducted Honda’s testing at race weekends, Ferrari’s reliability could once be taken for granted.
Not any more. Vettel has already had three five-place grid penalties for gearbox changes this year and retired before the race even started in Bahrain due to a power unit fault.
Sebastian Vettel, Fernando Alonso, Shanghai International Circuit, 2016
How long will it be until McLaren leads Ferrari?
Vettel’s growing dissatisfaction was plain to see from his onboard camera at the end of final practice at Silverstone last week as he gestured in frustration after his latest gearbox glitch. Is he beginning to realise what drove Alonso to leave the team in 2014?
Even during the nadir of Alonso’s first year back at McLaren he never expressed the slightest remorse at leaving Ferrari. He even said he should have done so sooner.
Of course Alonso was never likely to express remorse at having left Ferrari. But perhaps he knew what Vettel is now starting to appreciate. At the end of last year he pointed out Ferrari’s strong season was at least as much due to the failure of other teams rather than their own success – and he had a point.
And of course it’s easier for McLaren to find ways of closing the gap to Mercedes when they are two seconds behind than it is for Ferrari when they are one second behind. But which is the better bet for the future.
Next year Formula One will adopt new aerodynamic regulations which McLaren pushed for. It’s an area Ferrari has traditionally struggled in compared to its rivals. That’s another reason why Alonso believes McLaren will catch Ferrari before Ferrari catch Mercedes.
Queda menos para que les quitemos las pegatinas al mediocre y al borracho
(14-07-2016, 13:05)payoloco escribió: [ -> ] (14-07-2016, 12:24)cpp2808 escribió: [ -> ] (12-07-2016, 12:41)enrike hu fr escribió: [ -> ]Symonds se queja de la ventaja de los probadores de los neumáticos de 2017
En los test de Pirelli sólo participarán Mercedes, Ferrari y Red Bull
Pat Symonds cree que los tres mejores equipos actuales de la Fórmula 1 tendrán ventaja cuando se estrenen los neumáticos de Pirelli en 2017. Esta opinión parte del hecho de que las tres escuderías más fuertes de la parrilla actual serán la referencia para el fabricante de gomas a la hora de probarlos.
Por Ricardo Daniel Hulett
http://www.caranddriverthef1.com/formula...=hootsuite
Yo ya dije que esto iba y por desgracia será una desventaja...
No me queda claro con que coches están probando.
Según he leído, RB estaría probando con el de 2013. De Ferrari he encontrado contradicciones, he leído en algunos sitios que están con el coche de 2014 y en otros con el de 2015.
Williams se queja de que ellos no pueden ir al test, no porque no les dejen, sino porque es muy caro y no se lo pueden permitir.
De McLaren me queda la duda, según sean los test con coches de 2014 (en cuyo caso no podrían porque tenían motores Mercedes por entonces) o si son coches de 2015, que si podrían aunque el motor les dejase tirados cada 2 vueltas.
A mñi tampoco me queda claro, yo pensaba iban a ser coches de 2014, por eso Mclaren no podían ir a los test por lo del motor.
Pero en os últimos dñias estoy escuchando coches de 2015, no sé no me está quedando claro el tema
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Vettel and Alonso: Who will have the last laugh?
2016 F1 seasonPosted on 14th July 2016, 13:24Author Keith Collantine
When the V6 hybrid turbo era began it swiftly became clear Mercedes had replaced Red Bull as the team to beat.
But with Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg unlikely to be unseated from the team it left F1’s other top drivers wondering who might be best placed to challenge them in the near future.
In the closing stages of 2014 Fernando Alonso and Sebastian Vettel – the only multiple champions racing in F1 at the time – both decided their best opportunity lay outside their current teams.
Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari, Sepang International Circuit, 2015
Vettel and Ferrari got off to a dream start
Alonso, frustrated after five years during which Ferrari seemed to get progressively less competitive, cut his contract short by two years and made a sensational return to McLaren.
Vettel, who knew first-hand how much trouble Renault were in with their engine and had suffered a bruising season alongside new team mate Daniel Ricciardo, followed his heart to Ferrari followed his heart to Ferrari to replace Alonso in a bid to recreate the team’s years of glory with Michael Schumacher.
Their fortunes could scarcely have contrasted more sharply in the first two races after the switch. Alonso spent the Australian Grand Prix on the sidelines after suffering concussion during a testing accident. Meanwhile Vettel and Ferrari scored an opportunistic victory together in Malaysia.
By the time the curtain came down on the season Vettel had taken a total of three wins. In contrast Alonso had finished in the points just twice, and left Honda in no doubt what he thought of their “GP2 engine” at the Japanese manufacturer’s home grand prix.
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However neither driver switched teams expecting they would become championship contenders immediately. The true test was always going to be which team would narrow the gap to Mercedes over the coming seasons. And with the first half of 2016 almost done, McLaren are making strides while Ferrari has fallen further behind than it was at any stage last year:
Ferrari and McLaren’s deficit to the fastest car, 2015-present (%)
Deficit to fastest car - per race
Ferrari
McLaren
Australia 2015
Bahrain 2015
Canada 2015
Hungary 2015
Singapore 2…
USA 2015
Abu Dhabi 2…
China 2016
Monaco 2016
Austria 2016
0
2
4
6
Race
% deficit to fastest car
Team Ferrari McLaren
Australia 2015 1,64 5,86
Malaysia 2015 0,37 2,38
China 2015 0,94 3,65
Bahrain 2015 0,44 2,67
Spain 2015 0,92 3,64
Monaco 2015 1 2,66
Canada 2015 0,83 2,53
Austria 2015 0,52 3,33
Britain 2015 1,23 2,94
Hungary 2015 0,88 3,1
Belgium 2015 1,46 3,53
Italy 2015 0,23 3,21
Singapore 2015 0 2,35
Japan 2015 0,71 2,38
Russia 2015 0,88 2,7
USA 2015 0,66 2,34
Mexico 2015 0,47 2,89
Brazil 2015 0,73 3,01
Abu Dhabi 2015 0,81 2,33
Australia 2016 1 2,73
Bahrain 2016 0,58 2,73
China 2016 0,6 2,3
Russia 2016 0,97 2,48
Spain 2016 1,36 2,42
Monaco 2016 0,95 2,02
Canada 2016 0,24 1,99
Europe 2016 1,41 2,68
Austria 2016 0,56 2,03
Great Britain 2016 1,64 2,74
Deficit to fastest car - five-race average
Ferrari
McLaren
Spain 2015
Austria 2015
Belgium 2015
Japan 2015
Mexico 2015
Australia 2016
Russia 2016
Canada 2016
Great Britain…
0
2
4
6
Race
% deficit to fastest car
Team Ferrari McLaren
Spain 2015 0,862 3,64
Monaco 2015 0,734 3
Canada 2015 0,826 3,03
Austria 2015 0,742 2,966
Britain 2015 0,9 3,02
Hungary 2015 0,892 2,912
Belgium 2015 0,984 3,086
Italy 2015 0,864 3,222
Singapore 2015 0,76 3,026
Japan 2015 0,656 2,914
Russia 2015 0,656 2,834
USA 2015 0,496 2,596
Mexico 2015 0,544 2,532
Brazil 2015 0,69 2,664
Abu Dhabi 2015 0,71 2,654
Australia 2016 0,734 2,66
Bahrain 2016 0,718 2,738
China 2016 0,744 2,62
Russia 2016 0,792 2,514
Spain 2016 0,902 2,532
Monaco 2016 0,892 2,39
Canada 2016 0,824 2,242
Europe 2016 0,986 2,318
Austria 2016 0,904 2,228
Great Britain 2016 0,96 2,292
Outright performance is not the only problem. While it’s to be expected McLaren would suffer endless teething trouble throughout 2015 while it effectively conducted Honda’s testing at race weekends, Ferrari’s reliability could once be taken for granted.
Not any more. Vettel has already had three five-place grid penalties for gearbox changes this year and retired before the race even started in Bahrain due to a power unit fault.
Sebastian Vettel, Fernando Alonso, Shanghai International Circuit, 2016
How long will it be until McLaren leads Ferrari?
Vettel’s growing dissatisfaction was plain to see from his onboard camera at the end of final practice at Silverstone last week as he gestured in frustration after his latest gearbox glitch. Is he beginning to realise what drove Alonso to leave the team in 2014?
Even during the nadir of Alonso’s first year back at McLaren he never expressed the slightest remorse at leaving Ferrari. He even said he should have done so sooner.
Of course Alonso was never likely to express remorse at having left Ferrari. But perhaps he knew what Vettel is now starting to appreciate. At the end of last year he pointed out Ferrari’s strong season was at least as much due to the failure of other teams rather than their own success – and he had a point.
And of course it’s easier for McLaren to find ways of closing the gap to Mercedes when they are two seconds behind than it is for Ferrari when they are one second behind. But which is the better bet for the future.
Next year Formula One will adopt new aerodynamic regulations which McLaren pushed for. It’s an area Ferrari has traditionally struggled in compared to its rivals. That’s another reason why Alonso believes McLaren will catch Ferrari before Ferrari catch Mercedes.
Queda menos para que les quitemos las pegatinas al mediocre y al borracho
Efectivamente, esto significa que este año si Honda hace bien su trabajo acabamos más de alguna carrera por delante de los Ferrari pero por méritos propios
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