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Ferrari, sin crisis con Alonso y estimulados ...
#21
(02-08-2013, 09:16)miranda escribió: Lo que me han dicho es que en Ferrari molesta MUCHO que hay muchos aficionados que son más seguidores de Fernando que de la scudería, y que con las actuaciones de Fernando cada vez son más los que aprecian el trabajo de Fernando y critican a Ferrari, incluso entre los tifossi. Eso les llega mediante mensajes, lo que se lee en sitios, y ese marrón también se lo está comiendo Fernando.
Es como si muchos estuviesen diferenciando entre una parte y otra, como si se estuviese dividiendo el equipo en dos, Fernano y Ferrari y eso no lo soportan (esto último es opinión mía)

Eso es así. Hay aficionados que tienen cierto peso por haber estado en ese mundo del motor de competición, como pilotos, como mecánicos prestigiosos, incluso como organizadores, jueces, propietarios de pequeñas escuderías de competición, clientes de Ferrari, etc.
Toda esta gente tiene cierto peso a la hora de opinar y ciertamente muchos de ellos opinan que Montezemolo está totalmente equivocado en su táctica y en sus formas, sobre todo en el comunicado del otro día, si lo hubiera obviado, la cosa no habría pasado de unas declaraciones más: y no habrían tenido el eco y la polémica que han tenido y seguirán teniendo.
Es evidente que en el terreno deportivo, Fernando ha dado a Ferrari, lo que Montezemolo no ha dado, ni dará, visto lo visto....aunque nazca otra vez y reencarne en alerón super aerodinámico.
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#22
(02-08-2013, 22:59)bayoneta escribió: Yo he leido bastantes declaraciones del Nano en la prensa italiana y sus respectivas criticas de los periolistos, pero Alonso cometio un error al no ir a los test y como habia bastante resentimento a lo largo del tiempo, han aprovechado este momento que era el ideal, ¿No vas a los test y despues te quejas? Ahora ya te callas.

Y eso es todo amigos........

que tests...... ese apaño para compensar los verdaderos tests y pruebas que hizo Mercedes durante 3 días a puerta cerrada? Ahora resulta que el Ferrari no "va" porque Alonso no fue a dar 50 vueltas? Un poquito de seriedad.. Y si Ferrari lo hubiera considerado necesario, Alonso habría estado en esa tomadura de pelo. Además, Alonso no se ha quejado en ningún momento de Pirelli. Ha sido Montezemolo, pero no cuando tenía que haber defendido sus intereses. No. Tarde, fuera de lugar, criticando a su equipo, a su piloto estrella y todo con humildad y sin crear polémicas. Impresentable lo de Montezemolo. Que alguien me explique que consigue con poner en el disparadero a Alonso. Que intereses son los de Ferrari que no coinciden con los de Alonso. Pero tranquilos que el otro lumbrera ha ordenado a Ferrari investigar como ha incidido el cambio de los neumáticos en el rendimiento de su coche....... Ellos no son responsable de nada. Dos jefes que no han sabido defender a su equipo excusandose en los subordinados. Impresentable.
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#23
Stefano Domenicali pide explicaciones y soluciones al bajo rendimiento en Hungría
http://www.motorpasionf1.com/formula-1/s...asionf1%29

uh,uh..... stefano se "cabrea"....
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#24
Y con la fábrica, en teoría, cerrada. Van a investigar mucho, sí.
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#25
Pues en la BBC dan la razón a Alonso. Dicen cosas muy parecidas a lo que se le por aqui...curioso, curioso!!!
- Algunos dijeron: "Alonso nunca fichará por Ferrari". Y ahi le tenemos.
-Otros dijeron:"Alonso nunca ganará nada con ferrari". Y ganó en su primera carrera (y alguna más de propina).
-Ahora dicen que nunca ganará otro mundial....
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(02-08-2013, 23:24)susa escribió: Stefano Domenicali pide explicaciones y soluciones al bajo rendimiento en Hungría
http://www.motorpasionf1.com/formula-1/s...asionf1%29

uh,uh..... stefano se "cabrea"....

Pero como puede decir que han mejorado en clasificacion?

Twitter @Luengos1970
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#27
(03-08-2013, 00:00)Luengos1970 escribió:
(02-08-2013, 23:24)susa escribió: Stefano Domenicali pide explicaciones y soluciones al bajo rendimiento en Hungría
http://www.motorpasionf1.com/formula-1/s...asionf1%29

uh,uh..... stefano se "cabrea"....

Pero como puede decir que han mejorado en clasificacion?

En realidad, cada carrera van a peor. Este año habían empezado luchando por estar en las dos primeras filas. A saber lo que entiende este por mejorar.
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#28
Porque el circuito es más pequeño y han estado a menos de 1 segundo de la pole dicen que han mejorado.... Manda huevos
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#29
Creo que no ha sido accidental, y que Fernando lo hizo pensando bien lo que hacia lo de no ir a los tests trampa de Pirelli.

Psicológicamente Fernando, tiene que estar hasta más arriba de las cejas de aguantar que nadie en su equipo mueva la lengua cuando les han estado chuleando y robando los mundiales en la phuta cara y con su consentimiento. Claro que él único que tiene algo que ganar es Fernando y ese es el problema de FERRARI, que Massa con llevar ahí 9 o 10 años ni en los sueños de todo Brasil lo pensaban, los profesionales que están allí nadie se mata por ficharlos ni ellos por marchar, luego donde van a ir con ese nivel de exigencia que tienen en Ferrari, y finalmente la JEFATURA, es una panda de acomodados con sueldos de NASA y desempeño 99% de minusvalía (con perdón para los minusválidos reales).
El único que quiere ganar en ese equipo es Fernando Alonso, y eso es lo que DEBERIAMOS HACER VER EN LOS FOROS ITALIANOS.

Me parece que el gran favor a hacerle a Fernando es poner negro sobre blanco en Italia, que Fernando es el único de FERRARI, empeñado en ganar, luchando contra molinos de viento gigantes, pero hasta el último momento.

FUERZA Y HONOR
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#30
There were a lot of 'goings on' in Budapest. You can't call it skulduggery, because it wasn't malicious - it was all part of the game of F1. Mark Webber's release of his Red Bull seat has unleashed a series of moves, counter-moves by both Red Bull and the drivers that might be in contention for the seat.

As Flavio Briatore (Fernando Alonso and Mark's overall manager as it happens) commented to Gazetta Dello Sport later in the week - Mark's retiring a season too early anyway. His race performance in Hungary and Germany showed that he is as much the real deal as Kimi Raikkonen, it's just his car is rarely as good as he is.

As one fellow journalist said, "Though he's been a bit tetchy recently, Mark takes the serial failures on his car with a familiar weary sigh of resignation. Can you imagine Kimi being so patient...?"

Up until the Hungary race weekend it was assumed that the battle for the Red Bull seat was a straight fight between Daniel Ricciardo and the much admired Kimi Raikkonen. Kimi is both fast and reliable and seems to be forever stretching his points-scoring races towards the horizon - 27 at last count (the best of which was his 10th place in Monaco, even if it was a harem scarum ride to the line, get hold of the onboard footage and enjoy).

Ricciardo is turning into a superb qualifier, but in some grands prix he has struggled to match team-mate Jean-Eric Vergne and often his qualifying result is the high water mark of his race. Certainly that's what "JEV" believes, as he told L'Equipe last weekend.

Red Bull had the chance to run Daniel Ricciardo and Sebastian Vettel in close succession at the driver test at Silverstone, a very rare opportunity when you're considering a new driver. They certainly have all the data they need to make up their minds. What was interesting - apart from the fact that Daniel could run at almost exactly the same pace as Vettel - was that they chose to release it to the press.

The fact that he could match Vettel was good. The fact that they chose to publicise this was presumably bad, because F1 teams don't go spilling data for no reason at all. This was intended to show Kimi Raikkonen's manager, the extremely adept Steve Robertson, that Ricciardo was a serious option. So don't ask for big bucks. Had they made their mind up to sign Daniel straight away presumably they'd have kept quiet and released that information when they made the announcement.

In Hungary, into this two-horse race came the Prancing Horse candidate Fernando Alonso. Fernando's personal manager Luis Garcia Abad was seen visiting the Red Bull team and Christian Horner in a less than clandestine way. Abad is also the manager of Carlos Sainz Junior who did a fine job at the Silverstone Young Driver test but is still only 7th in the GP3 series.

The story from Abad's side is that he was keen to get Carlos Junior hooked up with Red Bull, but you'd think that would be a trip to see Dr.Helmut Marko and not Christian Horner. Christian duly spoke to the press, smiled broadly and said that he didn't realise there were circumstances that Fernando would be available in 2014. Horner, like everyone else, was playing his part in the game, winding Ferrari up.

What has come out of the Hungarian GP weekend is that there must be release clauses in Alonso's contract that allows him to jump ship if Ferrari don't perform.

Alonso might well have been using the public visit of his manager to shake some action. The best driver in the world is now 32 and looks unlikely to win another world title this year. Next year we switch to turbos, something Ferrari were never really good at in the past. It could be another two years before they get on terms with Mercedes and Renault and by then, the turbo kings, Honda, will be back in the game. When a top drive comes along you have to take it.

Equally, the visit could have been to create some panic at Ferrari to get the team performing. There must be some part of Alonso that thinks 'I've dragged this team to the front for too long'. In 2010 they had a World Championship-winning car. In 2011 and 2012 it was more the sheer will of Alonso that kept them in contention.

Luca Montezemolo reacted with typical fury and guile to the visit by getting the Ferrari press officer, Luca Colajanni to let the press know that Alonso had been rebuked and had his ear "tweaked" without getting too much involved and issuing a statement to the press himself. There is no such verb as 'tweak' in Italian (google translate thinks it should be modificare) but it's doubtful that Luca said Fernando's ear should be modified.

Luca's response was also partly in reply to Fernando saying that he would like "someone else car" for his birthday. But maybe he was simply meaning Felipe's...

When asked for his opinion on the Alonso situation, Sebastian Vettel was admirably candid with the BBC's Lee Mckenzie after the Hungarian race. She asked him who he'd prefer, Kimi or Fernando? You expected him to follow the company line and suggest that Daniel was also in the equation, but he quickly said: "I prefer Kimi, he's always been really straight with me."

The implication from Seb was that some of the mind games that went on towards the back end of last season still rankled - the 'Vettel to Ferrari in 2014' rumour and the post-Brazilian GP protestations about passing cars under yellows, to name but two.

So it's unlikely that Fernando will be spending a great deal of time in Milton Keynes next year. How it leaves relations with Ferrari senior management remains to be seen. Disloyalty, even a suggested disloyalty doesn't go down too well. For all his spectacular ability, Alonso has a history of turning against his team. He suggested that Renault didn't want him to win in an acrimonious outburst after the Chinese GP of 2006 (he was off to McLaren in 2007) and in 2007 he turned McLaren over to the FIA after they refused to favour him over Hamilton. He's older and wiser now, but that old self-interest started peeping through in Budapest.

As for Ricciardo vs Raikkonen, it's too close to call. But one pairing has a lot more opportunities for badminton.

Frank Hopkinson

http://www.planetf1.com/editorial/885256...vs-El-Nano
Fernando es de otro planeta
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