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RE: Renault pide disculpas e indemnizará a los Piquet - grandealonso - 08-12-2010
Todo esto me suena a lavado de imagen. La pregunta ahora es ¿la imagen de quién? ¿De Renault o de Piquet? Como quiera que sea los dos están implicados y la mala fama ya está creada aunque se arreglen ellos en privado.
Esto parece una estrategia para facilitar el retorno de Briatore. Hay que limpiar la ***** antes de que se siga relacionando su vuelta con un hecho ocurrido dos años atrás. Si Briatore vuelve a la F1 sin que Nelsinho esté recompensado por lo que hizo se le puede ir la boca con más cosas que no sepamos. La F1 guarda muchos secretos sucios que nunca sabremos y hay mucha gtente que sabe cosas. Un Nelsinho con información delicada que esté enfadado puede ser muy peligroso tanto para Renault como para Briatore.
Ahora se le da una pasta para callarlo y se dice públicamente que tenía razón. Asunto arreglado. No volvemos a sacar trapos sucios y todos tan contentos. Puede ser que Nelsinho tenga otra oportunidad de estar en un equipo como piloto. Aún es joven y tiene tiempo para hacer un par de temporadas. Con la imagen que se tenía de él hasta ahora no podía hacer nada y puede que todavía siga siendo muy pronto para que vuelva.
Sea como sea esto lava en parte la imagen de Renaul-Briatore y Piquet y se aseguran no sacar más ***** en adelante.
RE: Renault pide disculpas e indemnizará a los Piquet - Salvaje - 08-12-2010
A efectos de la justicia, o tienen pruebas SÓLIDAS, o mienten.
Si hay alguna declaración jurada de Pat Simonds (no me extrañaría que el tío extorsionase al equipo) o una buena grabación de la conversación, el crashgate existe. Si no es así, nunca ha sucedido y no hay que pedir disculpas ni nada.
RE: Renault pide disculpas e indemnizará a los Piquet - amanoth - 08-12-2010
¿De verdad seguís pensando que Piquet se estrelló a propósito? ¿Que tienen un supercerebro capaz de ver que si salía un safety en el momento justo Alonso con la chatarra de R28 ganaría una carrera en la que había salido 15?
Pîquet es, era y será un paquete conduciendo un F1, no fue su primer accidente absurdo ni fue el último, fallos tontos como ese cometió a centenares en toda la temporada, pero claro lo echaron del equipo y soltó una pataleta, empezó a lanzar ***** y como la FIA le tenía ganas al tito Flavio pues venga vamos a darle credibilidad a bombo y platillo que todo lo que diga la prensa es verdad y vende mucho.
Venga por favor que parece más propio del Salvame y JJ Vazquez y la Esteban que de F1.
RE: Renault pide disculpas e indemnizará a los Piquet - Wallabee - 08-12-2010
No se Renault, pero Piquet tiene varias cosas en su historial que lo hacen incompatible con la vida en la F1. que monte una buena discoteca de chaperos en su pueblo, que con eso podrá ir tirando.
RE: Renault pide disculpas e indemnizará a los Piquet - gasolina - 08-12-2010
Una prueba más de que Renault utilizó el crashgate para librarse de Briatore. Ahora lo que hacen es pagarle el "favor" a los Piquet.
RE: Renault pide disculpas e indemnizará a los Piquet - MadF1 - 08-12-2010
¡Menuda película se monta Piquet! Patético.
Piquet Jr.: "Pido perdón, no repetiría lo de Singapur"
"Si me volvieran a proponer lo de Singapur, diría que no", afirma Nelson Piquet Jr. en una entrevista exclusiva al periódico 'The Times' sobre lo sucedido en el Gran Premio de Singapur de 2008, que acabaría convirtiéndose en el escándalo 'Crashgate'. Ayer, Renault pidió disculpas tanto a Piquet como a su padre y se comprometió a pagar una indemnización "sustancial" al piloto.
Fernando Alonso era decimoquinto en la parrilla y Piquet estaba detrás el él. El jefe de Renault, Flavio Briatore, y el director de ingenieros, Pat Symonds, estaban nerviosos.
"'Mira, los dos coches están muy atrás en la parrilla, me dijo Symonds", relata Piquet. "Estamos en una situación en la que no iremos a ninguna parte en esta carrera a menos que algo extraordinario suceda. Briatore estuvo de acuerdo", añadió.
"Me quedé sentado escuchando porque no podía entender de qué iba esto. Los dos estaban muy nerviosos y la situación era muy tensa. No dije una palabra. Cinco minutos después Flavio comentó: 'Mira, la única manera de sacar algún partido de esta carrera es conseguir que el coche de seguridad entre en el momento oportuno", explicó.
La propuesta
"Me quedé sentado allí, mirando. Ambos me recordaron lo que había sucedido en Alemania cuando alguien se estrelló justo después de que yo hubiera salido del pit lane y acabé segundo en la carrera. '¿Quieres ayudar al equipo?', me dijo Flavio. 'Si te estrellas en el momento oportuno, podría cambiar todo", prosiguió.
Piquet estaba bajo presión después de una temporada mediocre y Briatore le dejó las cosas claras. "No es el tipo de persona con el que puedes tener una comunicación normal. Él da instrucciones y nunca pide tu opinión. Todo era breve y directo, porque en caso contrario se enojaba. Después de un rato, empecé a sentirme muy nervioso".
"Estaba tratando de rehacer mi reputación en la Fórmula 1 y él siempre me recordaba que mi destino estaba en sus manos. Hice todo para tratar de complacerle, pero solamente recibía críticas".
El contrato
Piquet estaba en una encrucijada. Le habían ofrecido un nuevo contrato para 2009, pero con una cláusula a favor del equipo que le permitía deshacerse de él y que, a cambio, alejaba posibles ofertas. Su padre le dijo que no firmara. "Cuando Flavio creyó que le estaba dando largas, se volvió loco", dijo Piquet. "Me llamó a su oficina y empezó a gritar. '¿Qué diablos crees que estás haciendo? No has hecho nada este año. Nadie más que nosotros te quiere', decía. Recuerdo haber llorado hablando por teléfono con mi padre la noche antes de la clasificación en Singapur. No podía soportarlo más".
En ese escenario fue en el que Piquet acordó provocar un accidente que favoreciera al otro piloto del equipo, Fernando Alonso: "Pensé que era una manera de complacerle, de poner un poco de mi parte".
Una vez que Briatore dio la orden, se perfilaron los detalles: "Ellos querían que el coche de seguridad saliera en la vuelta 14. En realidad, me sentía bien al hacer algo por el equipo tras todas las críticas que había recibido. Ni siquiera consideré si era una inmoralidad", comentó. Symonds le mostró un mapa del circuito y le indicó el mejor sitio para provocar el accidente, "porque allí no hay grúas ni nada".
Asustado
"A medida que pasaban las vueltas, sabía lo que se me venía encima, pero era difícil creer lo que iba a hacer. Yo estaba casi más preocupado por favorecer al equipo que por mi propia seguridad. Estaba tan asustado que casi no podía respirar. Llegué a la chicane en la vuelta 14 y tenía un nudo en el estómago. Yo estaba muy asustado, era como un sueño. Toqué con la rueda trasera en el muro y luego pisé el acelerador para chocar contra la otra pared. No sentí ningún dolor por el impacto, pero la adrenalina estaba disparada".
El plan funcionó a la perfección. El coche de seguridad salió, Alonso entró en 'boxes' en el momento justo y ganó la carrera, mientras que Piquet justificaba su accidente ante la Prensa como un simple error. "Flavio me golpeó en la espalda y me dijo: 'Gracias".
La venganza
Piquet fue despedido por Renault y decidió entonces denunciar el caso ante la FIA: "Si soy honesto, creo que lo conté más por la ira que había acumulado contra Flavio que por el deseo de limpiar mi conciencia", admitió.
La FIA le concedió inmunidad por su testimonio mientras que Briatore y Symonds fueron suspendidos de por vida en Fórmula 1, castigo reducido después a tres años.
Pero el gran circo le dio la espalda.
"Mirando hacia atrás, parece que ha pasado una vida, pero sé que nunca podré disipar esa sombra", dijo al periódico. "Pido disculpas sin reservas por lo que hice. Sólo espero que la gente entienda las presiones que a las que estuve sometido. No es una excusa, pero yo era una persona profundamente infeliz. Hoy soy un hombre más fuerte y si me lo propusieran de nuevo, estoy seguro de que tendría fuerzas para decir no".
Fuente: http://www.as.com/motor/articulo/piquet-jr-pido-perdon-repetiria/20101208dasdasmot_3/Tes
RE: Renault pide disculpas e indemnizará a los Piquet - Astur - 08-12-2010
MadF1 después de leer el relato de Nelsinho no queda ninguna dudad: es tontolosc... O sea, le mandan ¡estrellarse contra un muro! y obedece como un perro. En fin, está donde se merece, a ver si saca unos eurillos y eso que tiene en la cuenta, porque a la F1 seguro que no vuelve, por *****... y por contarlo. Y conste que no dudo de que todo lo que dice es verdad, de Briatore me creo cualquier cosa
Debería haber puesto cabrón, t o n t o sale con asteriscos
RE: Renault pide disculpas e indemnizará a los Piquet - MadF1 - 08-12-2010
(08-12-2010, 20:04)Astur escribió: Debería haber puesto cabrón, t o n t o sale con asteriscos
Jajajaa
Sí, Nelsinho ha sido poco hábil. Él mismo reconoce que confesó por venganza contra Briatore, y aunque sea verdad todo lo que cuenta, que eso sólo lo saben Briatore y él, le ha costado su pobre carrera en F1. En esta época de pilotos de pago podría haber encontrado un asiento.
Lo de que Renault lo reconozca debe ser por temas de imagen por la fusión con Lotus, supongo.
RE: Renault pide disculpas e indemnizará a los Piquet - maripi - 10-12-2010
http://esporte.uol.com.br/f1/ultimas-noticias/2010/12/10/nelsinho-revela-que-ja-fez-jogo-de-equipe-com-alonso-e-cita-birra-de-massa.jhtm
Interesante entrevista con Piquet
Q: When you started racing, your ultimate goal was to reach F1. You been there, done it, quit and now what is the next step?
NP: Look, my goal was always to race. Of course I had a goal to reach F1 and be the best, but things didn’t work out right, I chose another path to try and succeed in Nascar the same way I had to do to arrive in F1. Now it is time to try another path starting off in the Truck Series and be the first Brazilian to win in Nascar. I want to open the doors for new Brazilian drivers how always think only about F1 and doesn’t have a chance to get there. Even when the path is well outlined for drivers to go to F1, even having the money, sometimes you are not involved with the right people.
Q: Travis Pastrana, X-Games star, went straight to the Nationwide, the second most important Nascar series. Do you think he is jumping the gun and running the risk of failure?
NP: His case is different altogether. It is more of a playground to him, let’s say… No, it is not a playground, of course, he works hard, but it is different, another story compared to me. I think Nascar needs a personality like his, because they need to attract as much audience as possible. It is Danica [Patrick, Indy driver]’s case. They are using her a lot to attract the female audience.
Q: If they use Pastrana and Danica in a marketing gimmick to popularize the series, why do you think the don’t use your name as well?
NP: Pastrana is the X-Games world champion and Danica is a girl. I’m only one more driver who succeeded and went to Nascar to reach the top. These two people are really different. One is crazy, sick, he jumps out of planes with no parachutes and is the first one who performed a mortal jump with a bike. And she is a girl who won a race in Indy, races well and is pretty. So I think it’s not possible to compare with me.
Q: But did you talk to someone to go straight to the main series or the secondary series?
NP: I had no business doing so. You do it and you are crucified. People will get you expelled from there. It is not how it works. You have to get in, head down, learn to do things right. Nobody get out of Nascar straight to F1. No one is crazy enough to do so.
Q: You said that in F1 you need to know the right people. Is the mafia very big?
NP: No, you are speaking in a way that it seems like it’s the Italian mafia, but it is not quite like it. All I’m saying is that it makes a huge difference to have a manager that is already in F1, because the results alone won’t get you there. In my case, I won F3, almost won GP2 and went there for this reason. Of course, I had a name that also helped, but even if I were a regular joe I could have chances because I won almost everything I raced prior to F1. Even then you saw what happened, unfortunately I got involved with the wrong people. It is all a matter of getting in at the right time. In the USA there is also some of it, but the difference is in that you have to get involved with the community of drivers and mechanics. You have to befriend everyone because the way you drive in Nascar, being so close to each other all the time, pushing each other, it is very easy to touch someone else at 300 km/h and spin out, hit the wall and it’s over, you know what I mean? So you have to have this relationship with them so that jealousy doesn’t come into play.
Q: Has Nascar a strong hierarchy then?
NP: Yes, you have to respect them. You’re coming from the ourside in an American sport almost 100% filled with Americans and you want to get into the main series upon high heels? It is not a smart thing to do. I could do it and run the risk, but it’s not smart at all.
Q: Do you think Bruno Senna and Lucas di Grassi got in at the wrong time?
NP: The problem to me is to get in by paying. If you get in with money, everyone expects you to keep paying. It was Bruno and Lucas’ case. They had to find sponsors, or whatever they did, and payed a good amount of money. And their second year is not depending on results. It’s only money. And that’s another reason why I didn’t want to stay there. I did not get in that way and even when they gave me that option I said no, no way whatsoever.
Q: You arrived in F1 through Flavio Briatore, who was your manager. Do you think that if your agent was somebody else you’d be there to this day?
NP: I think I would have a bigger chance, innit? My manager was him, and he was team boss at the same time, so there was a huge conflict of interests. There were days when he was my manager and others when he was the team boss. So, he wasn’t so much one thing as he was another. That really did not help because I was never comfortable. Manager is someone who you can really count on. I didn’t have that. It was promised to me, but it didn’t happen.
Q: But at the same time, didn’t he help you by promoting you from test driver to the main seat?
NP: Yes, but it was a deal. Like, you can get here if you give me 20%. And you can get here if I become your manager.
Q: And you disagreed about the Italian mafia...
NP: Yeah, well, whatever, there are some cases, but they exist. But I never had a manager. I was kind of forced to sign this manager term there because it was his way in Renault. It wasn’t the only reason why I got in, of course, I got in because of my results, but he said: “if he wants to come here, I will be his manager, I will help him, I have a good relationship with people, a good name and several drivers who are being managed by me”. So, I think it would have worked wonders if I was in another team, maybe. Despite everything that happened, he has plenty of influence, knows a lot of people and maybe he could help me, but in another team.
Q: What was it like to deal with Briatore and Fernando Alonso inside Renault?
NP: Between me and Alonso, it was normal, no problems, we were friends… Of course, he is a smart driver and would never open the door to me, but when I needed, he talked to me, he was never arrogant. Briatore has a different character, it is harder to deal with him, a man who loves to scream, so, I did my job there and didn’t get much involved.
Q: And you never blamed Alonso in this whole saga…
NP: I think it wasn’t his fault, I mean, if it was, if he asked, I don’t know anything. But I think it is unlikely, the team wanted to bring a result to keep him on the team for one more year because he wanted out, the car was bad, And Alonso, you know how it is with him, if he doesn’t have a good car, he want to get out after the best equipment. But I think he never got involved.
Q: And how is your relation with F1 today? You did not race Massa’s International Challenge of Go-Karts… did it affect your relationship with Felipe Massa?
NP: Yeah, Felipe was upset, he thought he lost the championship because of me, he has his tantrums. But he thinks whatever he likes, he can be mad, he has all the rights to be, but it’s not because of one race that he lost the championship. What happened to him in the pitlane, which had nothing to do with me, could have happened at any race, any time, but anyway, he has his reasons and I don’t think it’s bad, it’s his problem.
Q: Is there prejudice against you today?
NP: No, only ignorant people, I think. Because people need to understand that I got on the top of my career aged 22. Other sportsmen blew it because of lack of matureness, lack of psychological practice. You get to the top of your career so fast that it gets you by surprise and end up committing a mistake. That’s what happened to me. I think everyone deserves a second chance and I’m here trying to outline a new path in Nascar to try and get Brazil to the top again.
Q: Since you are already in the USA, do you think about trying to make it into Formula Indy as well?
NP: No, because Indy already has lots of Brazilians and I wouldn’t be something new in Indy. It’s a series to which you have to bring money to race, as if you were renting a car and I’m not keen to do it. I really want to go to a very competitive series and not only be paid to race. I wanted a bigger challenge. And to me Nascar is way bigger a challenge than Indy.
Q: So, in Nascar it is only about your talent?
NP: My talent, my will power, my ability to blend in with the people there, time dedication, to prove everyone I really want to do that, that I will take it seriously so they don’t think I’m only another F1 driver trying to make money. Because Nascar is the series in which you make the most money, more than F1. You work more but earn nore. But it is not the only reason. It is much harder a task to be champion in Nascar than in Indy.
Q: If you had a new chance in F1, would you go for it? If someone called…
NP: I don’t know, I keep my feet on the ground. This doesn’t exist. It is the same as asking: “Would you do a movie with Tom Cruise wherever in Brazil…” It is something that doesn’t happen. I will not be trying, knocking on doors, trying to find sponsors with 5, 10, 15 million to race for a team. If it went wrong, alright, next one. There are a million other things I can do. I am a driver. I drive anything. It is not only F1, not only the glamour.
Q: What were your influences in the past which motivated you to get into motorsports: Your father must’ve been one of them…
NP: Look, my father never gave us an easy life… I mean, sorry, we always had a wonderful life, but he never said: “do whatever you want, here’s the money. Go race”. It was never like that, we always had to proe to my father that we liked racing, we were dedicated and love it to bits, what we were doing. So, in this aspect, he was always very tough, very clear.
Q: Do you remember your father racing?
NP: No, I don’t unfortunately. First, I have an awful memory. I probably even have a memory issue I think because I barely remember my first race, I have very few memories of karting and even F3.
Q: Did you have friends in the paddock? With whom did you get along better?
NP: I did. I’m still friends with [Sebastian] Buemi, Rubinho… GP2 drivers were all my friends. When you get into F1, if you don’t get in already friends, it is very hard to make friends inside because everyone stays with their teams. Not Rubinho, because when I was in GP2 I already talked to him and he gave me tips and I got there and we stayed friends. But I didn’t know Massa and only got to actually know him when I got into F1.
Q: What about your relationship with Lewis Hamilton, Who won the title when you were runner-up in GP2?
NP: Never had anything against him, but he was always closed, I don’t know, a bit strange. It’s a different culture. I always got along well with Brazilians, as all Brazilians do. So my real friends were Brazilians in GP2, with whom I hang out together.
Q: What about Kimi Raikkonen, is there a relationship with him?
NP: He is a very different guy. I am very close to his manager. Sometimes his manager will say: “I can’t believe it, he is a door, always the same, no expression”. But he is funny, likes to hang out, likes to party, loves to party.
Q: Do F1 miss a playboy like this to attract attention?
NP: Look, this sport has turned into something very… it even ceased to be a sport to be business. For sponsors, sometimes, it is even better to have a little robot who will do its job and go home and does not feature in a picture drinking or anything like it. Today that’s their preference. Of course that, for the sport, the audience, it would be good to have someone like Raikkonen, a different guy. Everyone knows he loved to drink and didn’t give a damn.
Q: What about the girls?
NP: There are a lot of drivers who likes to show off, who likes to be a driver because of the girls. But you have to seize the moments you can. I had my moments, of course, but I’m quiet now. But there are several drivers spending their father’s money trying to be in a top series and take advantage of it.
Q: What is it like to watch F1 from the outside now? How do you rate last season?
NP: It was very good, I follow it and always will. I love the championship, I love F1. It was very tough and I was pretty anxious in the last race, tense, I couldn’t believe what was happening, but I follow it to this day and it is very cool. I send messages to people there every now and then…
Q: Were you rooting for Alonso in the last race?
NP: I was supporting Webber. I think he is an older guy that really battled this year. He maybe wasn’t the quickest, but he was a bit more intelligent than Vettel and I think he deserved it. I don’t know if he will have another opportunity to be champion, Red Bull was favouring Vettel and now, with this championship, even more. So, I wanted him to win at least one championship before retiring.
Q: What would you do if you were on Felipe Massa’s place in the last German GP?
NP: I had that at Renault. There was this race in Silverstone that I think Alonso made a mistake in the beginning and I passed him at the start of the race, I’m not sure, and he was really faster than me and I had to let him through. But this is a code present in every team. When your team mate is faster than you, you have to let him through not to ruin his race. I know it is hard for people to understand it, but sometimes team orders have to exist to help the whole team. Sometimes it is better to win with one car than not winning with both. The team makes more money and you have a bigger budget for the next year to develop the car.
Q: Did you see or take part in other team orders and is it more common that we imagine from the outside?
NP: Absolutely. In my case, it was my first year... who was I to say anything, you know what I mean? The guy tells me to open the door, alright, I will not argue with the guy who is employing me. In Massa’s case, he is in F1 for eight years now, but I don’t know… He was recovering from an accident, he was really far behind Alonso in the championship… if he really was in the championship race, closer in the standings, having the chance to finish ahead of him in the championship, that’s ok, I would not agree. But he realized Alonso was in another pace.
Q: Is it hard to be team mate to Alonso?
NP: Not only Alonso. It is hard being a rookie in F1. There’s not much practicing, the car is very hard to drive and very fast, lots of stuff happening on the steering wheel, you have to think about strategy, so it is hard. You have to have a very good preparation to get there relaxed, pressure free, which was Hamilton’s case. He got there feeling secure because Ron Dennis was supporting him since he was a small kid, so it would be the same think if I was racing in my father’s team. I would be a little more secure, protected, a bit more relaxes. So, nowadays, experienced drivers like Rubinho have a great advantage for the lack of practice, the car being so hard to drive and there being so many new things every yea
RE: Renault pide disculpas e indemnizará a los Piquet - Astur - 10-12-2010
En fin maripi, el que vale vale y el que no pa la NASCAR