A Fernando solo le valía ganar para celebrar algo como para acercarse al muro. Ayer hizo una grandísima carrera, elogiada por todos los medios, incluso los garrapateros.
Que Domenicali es el cáncer de La scuderia como equipo de competición y los Agnelli pasan de todo, es otra evidencia.
La garrapatería de los medios y redes antisociales, se agarran a la impotencia de Fer y le echan la culpa a Ferrari por que no pueden con Rebú, pero quizás Fernando ayer estaba mosqueado por ver que el Red bull tiene algo que nadie dice y nadie denuncia, que él sabe muy muy bien, llámese ECU, ruedas, lo que sea. Fernando lo sabe, pero no "debe" hablar, igual que no hablan ni Ham, ni Web, ni Ros, ni Rai.....ni Ross Branw, ni Martin Whitmarsh, ni el boullier, ni Frank Williams.............y saben todo, todo y todo.


Lo dicho, entre las declaraciones sobre Vettel, que no se acercó al muro, la cara en el cajón....ya tienen carnaza las garrapatas. Ahora solo falta que lo vean mear torcido.

(26-08-2013, 20:08)Wallabee escribió: A Fernando solo le valía ganar para celebrar algo como para acercarse al muro. Ayer hizo una grandísima carrera, elogiada por todos los medios, incluso los garrapateros.
Que Domenicali es el cáncer de La scuderia como equipo de competición y los Agnelli pasan de todo, es otra evidencia.
La garrapatería de los medios y redes antisociales, se agarran a la impotencia de Fer y le echan la culpa a Ferrari por que no pueden con Rebú, pero quizás Fernando ayer estaba mosqueado por ver que el Red bull tiene algo que nadie dice y nadie denuncia, que él sabe muy muy bien, llámese ECU, ruedas, lo que sea. Fernando lo sabe, pero no "debe" hablar, igual que no hablan ni Ham, ni Web, ni Ros, ni Rai.....ni Ross Branw, ni Martin Whitmarsh, ni el boullier, ni Frank Williams.............y saben todo, todo y todo.


Lo dicho, entre las declaraciones sobre Vettel, que no se acercó al muro, la cara en el cajón....ya tienen carnaza las garrapatas. Ahora solo falta que lo vean mear torcido.

Torcido y en abanico para mojar a más garrapatas!!!

Es lo que hay , que bien lo has dicho "DEBES ESTAR CALLADO" mientras fabrican un ganador de 8 títulos del BERNIE HILL SHOW (nunca un campeón, que eso es otra cosa) con el muñeco de cartón-piedra alemán, el salchicho de frankjjfurt.

Pero claro el genio asturiano, se pone a pilotar y o le atáis las manos y los pies , o aún con el Arreferrari 138 os da una lección de las que no olvidas.

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http://adamcooperf1.com/2013/08/26/analy...me-at-rbr/

Analysis: Is Alonso still in the frame at RBR?
The consensus in the paddock at Spa was that Daniel Ricciardo had already got the nod for the second Red Bull seat, and Mark Webber added fuel to the fire by telling Australian TV that it was a done deal.

However Christian Horner continues to insist that the team has yet to decide who will get the drive.

Ricciardo is signed to Red Bull Racing anyway, and in effect the team could call on his services at any time up to the start of next season. Even if the Aussie doesn’t get the RBR job he will be in a Toro Rosso with an identical powertrain/gearbox package to the RB10, and thus potentially in a competitive seat.

There appears to be no logical reason why Red Bull would not have announced Ricciardo if he had already been guaranteed the drive. Indeed from a PR standpoint an early announcement would be a show of faith in the junior programme at a time when other options were available.

The bottom line is that Horner wouldn’t be doing his job if he didn’t continue to explore other interesting options, given that Ricciardo isn’t going anywhere. Two World Champions are currently without a 2014 contract – Kimi Raikkonen and Jenson Button – while sources continue to suggest that Fernando Alonso is still not 100% committed to Ferrari.

When this writer asked Bernie Ecclestone if he thought that Felipe Massa would be staying at Maranello, he replied: “They should be more worried about hanging on to Alonso…”

The value of having two experienced, proven winners on board for what will be a complicated season for all the teams is obvious, and at the same time if RBR takes a second top driver it will in turn damage a rival.

“There’s plenty of speculation about, but nothing has been signed yet,” said Horner at Spa. “So the situation is still as I said before the race, we’ve got time to contemplate who we’re going to put in the other seat, and there will be no announcement certainly before Monza.

“Mark obviously isn’t privy to all of the discussions with drivers. When there’s something to announce, we’ll certainly announce it. It will probably go on beyond Monza.”

Elaborating on Ricciardo’s situation, he said: “Both Toro Rosso drivers are on Red Bull Racing contracts. They’re on loan to Toro Rosso, so at any point they are available for us to call upon. So we don’t have to worry about those two, because they’re products of the Red Bull junior team, and the reason we’re taking the time is to look at what other options are about.

“Obviously they are very big shoes to fill next year. We want to field the strongest possible team that we can, so therefore it’s absolutely prudent to look at all the options that are available. It’s actually surprised us the options that are available that perhaps we didn’t think were.”

It’s widely assumed that it would be impossible for Sebastian Vettel to operate alongside a proven superstar, but Horner says that’s not an issue.

“To be honest with you Sebastian has no input or veto or requirement for any blessing over that second seat. He wants obviously to have a competitive team mate, because he wants to be pushed, as Mark has pushed him. He hasn’t voiced any opinions, strongly or otherwise, in any way. He sees it very much as a team position, and that’s very much the way it is.”

While many observers struggle to understand why Alonso might want to leave Ferrari, it may well be that he simply has fears about the competitiveness of the 2014 powertrain package.

It remains unclear in what circumstances Alonso might be able to walk away from what appears to be a solid Ferrari contract, unless it contains a generous performance clause that works in his favour – for example something that relates to driver and team having failed to win a World Championship over their four years together.

Of course as ever there are some potentially some games in the background, and it’s easy to suggest that Alonso is simply finding ways to motivate his current team, while Horner is destabilising the likes of Ferrari and Lotus by keeping the driver debate open.

However, it’s worth remembering that it’s dangerous to second guess what Alonso might do. Not many people expected him to leave his home at Renault for McLaren, or indeed walk away from an ultra competitive McLaren at the end of 2007 – even allowing for the rather awkward way that season unfolded, and the breakdown of his relationship with the team management.

As someone close to Fernando said at Spa, “At McLaren he finished a point behind the champion, and he still quit…”

Bernie haciendo de perro del hortelano. Menuda sanguijuela, parece que no quedó muy maduro con la tunda de hace un para de años.

lo de acercarse al muro o no son tonterías que saca la prensa o los comentaristas donde ven lo que no hay. A mi lo que no me cuadra es otra cosa, ¿ por que si las evoluciones esperadas no se correspondian en la pista por enésima vez, como que fernando afirma que en monza se "dará" el siguiente paso evolutivo y en singapur "otro", mostrandose aparentemente seguro de ello? ¿se muestra confiado o es meter aun mas presion a ferrari ? no se puede estar seguro de un equipo que continuamente año tras año les pasa lo mismo con las evoluciones, para mi es una manera de poner toda la presión en Ferrari ya que si esas evoluciones que a el le han dicho vuelven a no funcionar todos los palos irán para ferrari, cuando todos sabemos que fernando ni nadie puede estar seguro de que ese paso evolutivo se vaya a dar.
Fernando seguirá en Ferrari, pero está claro que está hasta los cojones de que año tras año gane un piloto peor que el y que empiece la temporada con un mal coche o bien con un coche decente que lo estropean año tras año.

No soportan que Alonso los deje en ridículo cada fin de semana.

Otra sobre el mercado de pilotos. Como vereis el centro de todo es Fernando


http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2013/08/2...-market-3/


The driver market
August 26, 2013 by Joe Saward
Prior to the Belgian GP weekend there was an awful lot of Internet clutter about the F1 world. With everyone involved on holiday, the cut-and-paste monkeys had to dream up some stories on their own and in consequence everything got in a complete muddle with every top driver joining every other top team.

Having now had the chance to chat with some of the folk involved, this is my read on the situation. The real story is not Kimi Raikkonen, but rather Fernando Alonso. He’s fed up with the results at Ferrari and wants action. The only way he can get that, apart from shouting at them in five languages, is to threaten to leave. Ferrari don’t really believe he will depart, but they have to make contingency plans just in case he “does a Lewis” and defies the logic of the moment. The only obvious choice if Fernando goes is Kimi.

Time is ticking and tocking ever onwards and Fernando believes that he should perhaps have won more titles than he has. The problem he has is that the options are none too promising. One cannot imagine that he would want to be at Red Bull where Sebastian Vettel are planted under the desk. Fernando may suavely say that he does not mind who his team-mate is, but that is not strictly true. The toys still come out of the pram when he gets beaten. Mercedes is locked-down with Lewis and Nico and in any case one cannot really imagine a remake of that well known 2007 horror film “Lewis and Fernando damage McLaren”. McLaren is also not much of an option because they are just going into a cycle of interim years with new Mercedes customer engines in 2014, followed by new Hondas in 2015, so it is likely to be 2016 before the sowing will be reaped and Fernando is getting a bit old for that sort of thing. Lotus might be an option but Fernando will have heard the stories about Kimi not being paid on time. So, the reality is that Alonso will probably stay where he is and if that happens you can put money on Felipe staying on as his wing-man.

Kimi is happy where he is, but would be happier if he was paid in full. All he wants to know is that the team will have the money it needs to do the job properly, so his management may go around stirring up stories but the reasons he will stay where he is are much the same as those of Fernando. If Romain Grosjean continues to show good form there is again no real point in changing the line-up, particularly as the presence of Romain keeps Renault and Total happy.

And the one question that no-one seems to have asked: why would Kimi go to Ferrari if the Italian team Is in such a state that Fernando wants to leave? In the overall scheme of things Ferrari is not doing a bad job and is improving all the time, but the same problem remains: Red Bull is doing it better.

Red Bull, by the way, is taking Daniel Ricciardo. He is quick enough to get points but not really a threat to Saint Sebastian.

Es cierto, Kimi solo llegaría para cubrir el puesto de Fernando, una maniobra desesperada, porque Kimi pasa mucho. A pesar que le han dicho que le llevan los helados de la florentina que hay antes de llegar al puente viejo.
Pero mucho me temo, que la historia no va por evoluciones, coche competitivo, ni nada de eso, la cosa va de despachos y de que por una vez, Red Bull saque un coche legal....para poder perder,si llega el caso, pero es lo que se pide en la competición, que nadie se dope.

(27-08-2013, 10:32)Wallabee escribió: Es cierto, Kimi solo llegaría para cubrir el puesto de Fernando, una maniobra desesperada, porque Kimi pasa mucho. A pesar que le han dicho que le llevan los helados de la florentina que hay antes de llegar al puente viejo.
Pero mucho me temo, que la historia no va por evoluciones, coche competitivo, ni nada de eso, la cosa va de despachos y de que por una vez, Red Bull saque un coche legal....para poder perder,si llega el caso, pero es lo que se pide en la competición, que nadie se dope.

Lo de Red Bull no es dopaje, es el CAMBIAZO, ¿os suena de los exámenes? Había 2 tipos de cambiazo, el examen resuelto en papel adecuado, vas y lo colocas... y zas, o el más profesional , que era cuando unos de los estudiosos te sustituía en el examen y lo hacía por ti... (esto es más posible en la universidad, donde casi nadie se conoce)... Pues estos homologan una cosa y luego dan el cambiazo con todos a favor, y como tienen un piloto mediocre no les vale, y a mitad de temporada cambian reglas, ruedas, valen poles ilegales, se puede bloquear a tu rival en clasificación y si es poco los comisarios a sueldo te sacan banderas "ad hoc" para favorecerle...

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