Menudo desastre de GP. Cuando corremos con lluvia vamos 2 segundos más lentos, cuando llevamos duros también y si no siempre hay pilotos que tienen mejor estrategia que ALO.

Lo de RedBull es preocupante, como sigan el año que viene así no hay nada que hacer.

Resumen del mundial:


- Demasiado piloto para tan poco coche ( Fernando y Ferrari ).
- Demasiado coche para tan poco piloto ( mctrampas y Hamilton ).
- Coche lleno de trampas y compañero atado de pies y manos cuando les interesa. ( redbull y vettel ).

Bueno, pues no hay más cera que la que arde: RB sigue fuerte, y MacLaren ha mejorado mucho. Tanto que creo que en carrera ha superado a RB de largo. No sé que hubiese pasado si Hamilton no se la pega, pero 10 vueltas más y Button coge a Webber (a Vettel no sé, porque igual ya estaba con el "modo crucero" en el coche). Con Ferrari, pues de nuevo las ruedas "duras y frías", como los huesos. Debería estar ya curado de estos espantos, pero se me ha quedado la cara de pasmo cuando lo ha pasado Webber nada más salir de la 2º parada por delante, y poco a poco, desangrándose los tiempos, Button.
Cuarto... saliendo 8º es avanzar 4 puestos, tal y como ha dicho Alonso dándolo todo.
A divertirse en lo que queda de Campeonato, porque salvo hecatombe, apocalipsis o quiebra de RB, esto se ha acabado

Belgian GP - Determination not enough: only fourth for Alonso at Spa
Massa finishes eighth after a puncture


Scuderia Ferrari and Fernando Alonso’s run of four consecutive podium finishes came to an end at Spa-Francorchamps, even though the Spaniard fought right to the last lap for a top three result, before having to settle for fourth place. Felipe Massa’s race was ruined by an unexpected puncture which meant he had to make an unplanned stop on his way to finishing eighth. Fernando made two pit stops: having started on the Soft tyres, he then fitted a second set of Soft and one of the Medium. Felipe also started on the Softs and initially followed a similar strategy, except that he had to fit an additional set of the Mediums, because of the aforementioned puncture.

Stefano Domenicali: “We definitely cannot claim to be happy with this result, but we must evaluate it objectively, without letting emotion get the better of us. We saw our car perform in two different ways, depending on what tyres it was running: very good on the Soft, especially with Fernando, but definitely lacking with the Medium. This explains how Fernando, who delivered an extraordinary performance, taking the lead and fighting for the win in the first stint, then gradually saw what would have been a very well deserved podium place slip from his grasp. Felipe began his race in a very aggressive fashion, but then he paid an even heavier price for our chronic difficulties on the harder tyre. The Safety Car definitely did not help, coming out just as our main rivals were struggling the most, which meant they could make up for their initial handicap. We know what is our Achilles Heel and we have to continue to work on it: we have made up ground in some areas, but on this one – I refer to the ideal window of operation for the tyres – we are still lagging behind. Now we go to Monza, our home race: our objective is unchanged, which means trying to win. I am convinced we can be on the pace, while aware of the fact we are up against very strong opponents.”

Fernando Alonso: “It would have been difficult to do better than this fourth place today, especially given how much we suffered on the Medium tyres: in these conditions, we are a second and a half slower than the best. Honestly, I didn’t think I had a real chance of winning, but a podium was within our grasp. The strategy saw me lead in the early stages, but then, we knew that in the final part, we would have struggled more. I had fun in the first stint: the start was good and then I had some nice duels. A shame about the podium: it was our target and was possible, despite qualifying eighth yesterday. Compared to the gap we saw yesterday in qualifying, the situation was very different today, but we are well aware that, with temperatures which were definitely not very hot for summer time, we paid too high a price. At the moment, we must congratulate our opponents, who are doing a fantastic job, but we will not give up, at least until the mathematics tell us otherwise: we will always try and win, giving it our best shot, starting in Monza, a very special event for Ferrari and for all its fans, and then in all the other remaining races this season.”

Felipe Massa: “It was rather a strange race for me. In the opening phase I was absolutely in the fight for the top places, but then I started to have tyre problems and the car seemed to no longer be so well balanced. With the Mediums, the situation improved, maybe also down to an adjustment to the front wing which we made at the pit stop, but we were not quick enough, as was clearly evident and by then it was too late. On top of that, I also had a puncture on the left rear tyre which meant I had to make another stop. When I found myself behind Rosberg, I could not pass him, despite the DRS, because their top speed is very good. Furthermore, I was struggling especially in the slowest corners – the final chicane and La Source – and that stopped me from getting as good a tow as possible. The next event is the home race for the team, but it is also very important for me and I really want to get a good result there.”

Pat Fry: “We are not happy and how could we be at the end of a race in which we were fighting for a podium finish right up to the final stages. Unfortunately, we are still seeing a drop in performance on the hard compound tyres, which is too much when up against our main rivals. It’s a problem we have still not managed to fix and which is even more accentuated once the temperature is rather low. It’s disappointing for our drivers, as we have not been able to put them in a position to fight at their best in every type of condition. From a strategic point of view, certainly the arrival on track of the Safety Car did not work in our favour and I don’t think that we could have made any different choices compared to the ones we went with. If Fernando had copied Vettel, he would have come back out on track in traffic and would have lost the chance to attack for the top spot. After that, there was no point splitting the second part of Fernando’s race in two, thus using a third and final set of Softs, because we would definitely have finished fourth with no hope of fighting for something better. Now we must prepare as well as possible for Monza, the Scuderia’s home race.”

http://www.ferrari.com/English/Formula1/...cture.aspx

Pat Fry termina por zanjar la polemica sobre la estrategia en el SC, el haber copiado a Vettel, le hubiera metido en trafico.

No se podia hacer nada mejor que cuarto y gracias al abandono de luisito. Tenemos el tercer mejor coche a gran diferencia de los dos primeros, mucho mas cerca del cuarto. Demasiado consiguio con un coche 2 segundos mas lento con el neumatico mas duro (1,5 en manos de Fer).

Imagino que ya estaran concentrados hace tiempo en el 2012 al 100%, y sino es asi lo mismo es bueno este resultado para terminar de convencerlos de que no deben perder ni un segundo mas en este tronco. No hay base ni para acercarse al nivel de RB...como para enjugar la diferencia estamos (y menos con la suerte de su lado siempre).

Como me gusta cada vez que habla Pat Fry, lo deja todo bien clarito respecto a la estrategia. Con lo que hay no se puede pedir más. Para sacar un podio nosotros necesitamos 20 carambolas seguidas, mientras los Red Bull hacen doblete con SC, con blistering y con la mano a la espalda. El fallo ha sido hacer un coche que no calienta ruedas, para el próximo año, un coche más parecido al de los demás y que el mejor piloto sea el factor decisivo. Ahora se lo ponen demasiado fácil a la FIA para joderles, al tener estrategias de neumáticos totalmente distintas a McLaren y Red Bull si endurecen las ruedas a Ferrari les hacen polvo y a McLaren y Red Bull les hacen volar.

No os hagáis mala sangre que no hay mala suerte sino mal coche. Cuando Fernando tenga un coche decente va a ser un paseo como ya se vio en Silverstone, está a años luz de los demás.

MAS fuera de Ferrari YA.
BUT en Ferrari YA.
HAM deben hacerle entender que no pilota solo.
VET es campeón. ¿Quién va a ver el resto de carreras?
Ferrari tiene un coche 2 segundos más lento. Simplemente ridículo. Y vuelvo a mi pregunta sin competitividad quién va a ver el resto de carreras?

Qué suplicio ver la impotencia de Fernando con un coche que era tan lento con las p ruedas.

Una cosa que he leido en el twitter de FA me recuerda una cosa que repite desde 2010 nachobcn. El equipo de pista de Ferrari la caga siempre. No las estrategias, sino el análisis de los datos de los neumáticos. A Neil Martin la han dado unos datos "demasiado optimistas" del trato de los medios, y la estrategia con esos datos era la correcta. Si tuviese el dato real, hubiesen hecho una estrategia con 3 paradas y minimo uso de los medios.

Creo que ahí es donde deben rodar cabezas y traer a alguien solvente. Neil Martin en un crack con su software de estrategias, pero le tienen que dar datos ajustados a la realidad, y siempre la cagan en eso.

(28-08-2011, 20:19)Nveces escribió: MAS fuera de Ferrari YA.
BUT en Ferrari YA.
HAM deben hacerle entender que no pilota solo.
VET es campeón. ¿Quién va a ver el resto de carreras?
Ferrari tiene un coche 2 segundos más lento. Simplemente ridículo. Y vuelvo a mi pregunta sin competitividad quién va a ver el resto de carreras?

Qué suplicio ver la impotencia de Fernando con un coche que era tan lento con las p ruedas.

yo no veo la F1 solo por ALO. asi que to si que la vere. eso esta claro

ademas. aunque solo fuese por ALO, aunque no se puede ganar ya. el espectaculo que tenemos carrera tras carrera esta asegurado

la suerte de BUTTO, pero esta vez pro su bien. una pieza decapita su retrovisor, unos 10 cm mas a la izkierda y podriamos tener en estos momentos un serio problema