21-09-2017, 19:41
Eff1, on 19 Sept 2017 - 12:52, said:
It's a matter of opinion.....and in mine Alonso is the best "all rounder" (like Schumacher was) of his generation, even though he might not be out and out the fastest.
Hamilton and Vettel are devastatingly fast when it all comes together, but my impression is that both have had and continue to have more off days in comparison.....
Possibly, but it is difficult to know 100% with Alonso. He certainly drags everything out of the car it appears, but his main reference points when the cars at his disposal haven't been excellent have been Piquet Jr, Grosjean, Massa, Button, Raikkonen and Vandoorne. That is a lineup of flakey drivers and rookies. He certainly flagged a bit in the run-in for the 2012 title.
His title seasons were almost flawless (bar Indy 2006 and Hungary 2005) as, although he was paired with Fisichella, he was in direct competition with Schumacher and Kimi.
But that one season where he had a genuine, stellar teammate was a mess psychologically. Was that a maturity thing or is it a flaw he still has? I dunno.
Edited by Knowlesy, 19 September 2017 - 11:59.
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In order to avoid confuson, I agree broadly with Roebuck, hence my comment that "I'm not going to argue with him". I rate Alonso as the most complete driver of the recent era, certainly since Schumacher was at his best. I wouldn't say Alonso is the quickest of the present drivers (I still think Hamilton is) and he isn't the best front-runner (Vettel, IMO), but, as Roebuck says, the others have more off-days than Alonso, and he has a much better idea of racecraft than Vettel, in particular in terms of when to go all-out to fight someone and when to play the percentages.
Edited by cpbell, 19 September 2017 - 12:01.
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Knowlesy, on 19 Sept 2017 - 12:59, said:
Possibly, but it is difficult to know 100% with Alonso. He certainly drags everything out of the car it appears, but his main reference points when the cars at his disposal haven't been excellent have been Piquet Jr, Grosjean, Massa, Button, Raikkonen and Vandoorne. That is a lineup of flakey drivers and rookies. He certainly flagged a bit in the run-in for the 2012 title.
His title seasons were almost flawless (bar Indy 2006 and Hungary 2005) as, although he was paired with Fisichella, he was in direct competition with Schumacher and Kimi.
But that one season where he had a genuine, stellar teammate was a mess psychologically. Was that a maturity thing or is it a flaw he still has? I dunno.
You think Massa, Button and Raikkonen at or near their respective best were flakey?
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It's Montoya.
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Sounds plausible.
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It's a matter of opinion.....and in mine Alonso is the best "all rounder" (like Schumacher was) of his generation, even though he might not be out and out the fastest.
Hamilton and Vettel are devastatingly fast when it all comes together, but my impression is that both have had and continue to have more off days in comparison.....
Possibly, but it is difficult to know 100% with Alonso. He certainly drags everything out of the car it appears, but his main reference points when the cars at his disposal haven't been excellent have been Piquet Jr, Grosjean, Massa, Button, Raikkonen and Vandoorne. That is a lineup of flakey drivers and rookies. He certainly flagged a bit in the run-in for the 2012 title.
His title seasons were almost flawless (bar Indy 2006 and Hungary 2005) as, although he was paired with Fisichella, he was in direct competition with Schumacher and Kimi.
But that one season where he had a genuine, stellar teammate was a mess psychologically. Was that a maturity thing or is it a flaw he still has? I dunno.
Edited by Knowlesy, 19 September 2017 - 11:59.
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In order to avoid confuson, I agree broadly with Roebuck, hence my comment that "I'm not going to argue with him". I rate Alonso as the most complete driver of the recent era, certainly since Schumacher was at his best. I wouldn't say Alonso is the quickest of the present drivers (I still think Hamilton is) and he isn't the best front-runner (Vettel, IMO), but, as Roebuck says, the others have more off-days than Alonso, and he has a much better idea of racecraft than Vettel, in particular in terms of when to go all-out to fight someone and when to play the percentages.
Edited by cpbell, 19 September 2017 - 12:01.
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Knowlesy, on 19 Sept 2017 - 12:59, said:
Possibly, but it is difficult to know 100% with Alonso. He certainly drags everything out of the car it appears, but his main reference points when the cars at his disposal haven't been excellent have been Piquet Jr, Grosjean, Massa, Button, Raikkonen and Vandoorne. That is a lineup of flakey drivers and rookies. He certainly flagged a bit in the run-in for the 2012 title.
His title seasons were almost flawless (bar Indy 2006 and Hungary 2005) as, although he was paired with Fisichella, he was in direct competition with Schumacher and Kimi.
But that one season where he had a genuine, stellar teammate was a mess psychologically. Was that a maturity thing or is it a flaw he still has? I dunno.
You think Massa, Button and Raikkonen at or near their respective best were flakey?
Like ThisP12319 Sep 2017
It's Montoya.
Like ThisANF19 Sep 2017
Sounds plausible.
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