21-09-2017, 19:42
Fernando always brings at least 6th tenths to any teams... he must be the greatest just based on that right?
On a more serious note, he is an amazingly gifted driver, I would just stop at that, no point comparing him with drivers from another era since the cars and the conditions were totally different back then, and if we compare him with the drivers of his generation I think he is definitely one of the greatest.
Edited by Claudiu, 19 September 2017 - 12:07.
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P123, on 19 Sept 2017 - 13:01, said:
It's Montoya.
No gods allowed!
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cpbell, on 19 Sept 2017 - 12:59, said:
In order to avoid confuson, I agree broadly with Roebuck, hence my comment that "I'm not going to argue with him". I rate Alonso as the most complete driver of the recent era, certainly since Schumacher was at his best. I wouldn't say Alonso is the quickest of the present drivers (I still think Hamilton is) and he isn't the best front-runner (Vettel, IMO), but, as Roebuck says, the others have more off-days than Alonso, and he has a much better idea of racecraft than Vettel, in particular in terms of when to go all-out to fight someone and when to play the percentages.
But if the others were to beat Alonso more often during their 'on' days then that could be more decisive in the end.
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I'm leaning towards Vettel. A world title in another car would settle it but the case for him is already pretty strong I think.
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One unique thing about Alonso is that he never had the fastest car for the whole season which is quite amazing if you think of it.
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cpbell, on 19 Sept 2017 - 13:01, said:
You think Massa, Button and Raikkonen at or near their respective best were flakey?
He faced them past their prime. I think it was quite clear to see... Button still outscored him in 2015, I believe...
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OO7, on 19 Sept 2017 - 13:06, said:
But if the others were to beat Alonso more often during their 'on' days then that could be more decisive in the end.
You've got to allow for the fact that, since 2006, Alonso has only had the quickest car once, in 2010 (and then probably only for part of the season), whereas Vettel and Hamilton have both been in the best car on the grid for three straight seasons during that same period.
Edited by cpbell, 19 September 2017 - 12:12.
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kernel, on 19 Sept 2017 - 13:08, said:
He faced them past their prime. I think it was quite clear to see... Button still outscored him in 2015, I believe...
I'll agree Massa and Raikkonen, but Button was still good in 2015 at least.
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So in short, ALO has no off weekends, never, ever ...
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peroa, on 19 Sept 2017 - 13:05, said:
Judging by the last three year and his disgusting attitude towards Honda ...
It was pretty clear after three years that McLaren were using Alonso as the only acceptable public conduit for their frustrations with their engine partner.
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On a more serious note, he is an amazingly gifted driver, I would just stop at that, no point comparing him with drivers from another era since the cars and the conditions were totally different back then, and if we compare him with the drivers of his generation I think he is definitely one of the greatest.
Edited by Claudiu, 19 September 2017 - 12:07.
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Like ThisKnowlesy19 Sep 2017
P123, on 19 Sept 2017 - 13:01, said:
It's Montoya.
No gods allowed!
Like ThisOO719 Sep 2017
cpbell, on 19 Sept 2017 - 12:59, said:
In order to avoid confuson, I agree broadly with Roebuck, hence my comment that "I'm not going to argue with him". I rate Alonso as the most complete driver of the recent era, certainly since Schumacher was at his best. I wouldn't say Alonso is the quickest of the present drivers (I still think Hamilton is) and he isn't the best front-runner (Vettel, IMO), but, as Roebuck says, the others have more off-days than Alonso, and he has a much better idea of racecraft than Vettel, in particular in terms of when to go all-out to fight someone and when to play the percentages.
But if the others were to beat Alonso more often during their 'on' days then that could be more decisive in the end.
Like Thismanmower19 Sep 2017
I'm leaning towards Vettel. A world title in another car would settle it but the case for him is already pretty strong I think.
Like Thisrealracer20019 Sep 2017
One unique thing about Alonso is that he never had the fastest car for the whole season which is quite amazing if you think of it.
Like Thiskernel19 Sep 2017
cpbell, on 19 Sept 2017 - 13:01, said:
You think Massa, Button and Raikkonen at or near their respective best were flakey?
He faced them past their prime. I think it was quite clear to see... Button still outscored him in 2015, I believe...
Like Thiscpbell19 Sep 2017
OO7, on 19 Sept 2017 - 13:06, said:
But if the others were to beat Alonso more often during their 'on' days then that could be more decisive in the end.
You've got to allow for the fact that, since 2006, Alonso has only had the quickest car once, in 2010 (and then probably only for part of the season), whereas Vettel and Hamilton have both been in the best car on the grid for three straight seasons during that same period.
Edited by cpbell, 19 September 2017 - 12:12.
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kernel, on 19 Sept 2017 - 13:08, said:
He faced them past their prime. I think it was quite clear to see... Button still outscored him in 2015, I believe...
I'll agree Massa and Raikkonen, but Button was still good in 2015 at least.
Like Thisperoa19 Sep 2017
So in short, ALO has no off weekends, never, ever ...
Like ThisRisil19 Sep 2017
peroa, on 19 Sept 2017 - 13:05, said:
Judging by the last three year and his disgusting attitude towards Honda ...
It was pretty clear after three years that McLaren were using Alonso as the only acceptable public conduit for their frustrations with their engine partner.
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