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		Otra cosa que nos puede venir "relativamente" bien esta temporada. A finales del 2016 los contratos de Kimi y Rosberg llegan a su fin. Si la igualdad entre los coches se acentúa esta temporada la diferencia la pueden marcar los buenos pilotos. Interesante ver que puede pasar si a igualdad de coches  los pilotos numero uno no dan la talla, cuando los asientos del piloto numero dos quedan libres..... 
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Siempre con Fernando, año tras año. 
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		 (29-02-2016, 15:52)German Sanchez escribió:  Otra cosa que nos puede venir "relativamente" bien esta temporada. A finales del 2016 los contratos de Kimi y Rosberg llegan a su fin. Si la igualdad entre los coches se acentúa esta temporada la diferencia la pueden marcar los buenos pilotos. Interesante ver que puede pasar si a igualdad de coches  los pilotos numero uno no dan la talla, cuando los asientos del piloto numero dos quedan libres..... 
Ahí lo dejo. 
Alguna vez hemos comentado eso amigo.
 
¿Seguro que éste es el último cartucho?
 
Yo creo que es lo más probable.
 
Pero seguro, seguro, no hay nada, verdad?    
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		Yo creo que vamos a tener sorpresa positiva, creéis que el circo se puede permitir otro año de dominio aplastante de Mercedes? Vettel es el salvador? La respuesta a ambas es no y ellos lo saben.... pero esto es tinglado dirigido por una oligarquía descerebrada por lo que cualquier cosa es posible
	 
	
	
	
	
 
 
	
	
	
		
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		Mucha tela que cortar antes de la primera carrera. Las declaraciones de Boullier son un v jarro de agua fría, esperemos que sean una tirita muy grande por si sangra la herida a partir de mañana pero es que ese ruidaco que hace el motor de este año sólo puede ser algo premonitorio. 
 
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		Hay bastantes cosas que poner a punto, ya denuncie en su momento que se tenian que tener alternativas a la talla cero en vez de quedarse mirando como jilis señalando a los japos que se quemaban los motores y el 90% de las veces era por falta de refrigeracion y asi se perdian kilometros de pruebas. 
 
Esto no hubiera pasado en Red Bull porque lo soluciono en pretemporada con el motor Renault en el 2014 y encima ganaron carreras. 
 
Y eso me lleva a pensar la chuleria de Mclaren pero como hay gente que sabe y le pagan para decirlo aqui pongo un articulo de Autosport reciente, 
 
McLaren MP4-31 
The fallen British giant is pinning its 2016 hopes on aggressive 
aero, an updated Honda engine – and keeping its vision 
By Gary Anderson, technical expert 
 
For all the talk about the 
‘size-zero’ concept of 
last year, the McLaren 
always looks like a ‘big’ 
car and I’m not sure 
why. It still looks like it’s 10 per 
cent bigger than the Mercedes! 
 
This is probably just an optical 
illusion, emphasised by the colour 
scheme not doing the McLaren any 
favours. That also makes it more 
difficult to see some of the detail, 
which is probably the intention. 
 
In 2015 the car was better than 
Honda’s power unit, but if it 
had been fitted with an equalperformance 
Mercedes engine could 
it have taken the fi ght to Mercedes? 
My answer to that is no. It would 
have been a lot better, but it still 
lacked in grip and consistency 
relative to the frontrunners. 
 
This is the first complete 
McLaren from chief engineer Peter 
Prodromou and I am sure his Red 
Bull experience will have altered 
how the McLaren design group 
set the specification for a new car. 
 
McLaren seems to have 
committed itself to running with 
a higher rear ride height. This in 
turn allows the rear of the car to be 
run softer so the car has more rake 
at low speed, giving more frontend 
grip in slow corners. When the 
speed and the aerodynamic forces 
build up, the rear will compress and 
get nearer the ground, moving the 
downforce rearward and making 
the back end feel more stable. 
 
If this type of aerodynamic 
characteristic is achieved then it 
is a benefit at all circuits, but miss 
it by a little bit and you are always 
fighting that very fine balance 
between understeer and oversteer. 
 
McLaren’s task for 2016 is 
probably the most difficult of all 
the teams’. Everyone else had a 
fair idea of where they were, but 
McLaren never made the progress 
over the season it thought it 
might, and when that happens 
it undermines the basic things 
that you believe in. 
 
Designing and building an F1 
car is about vision, and sometimes 
that vision cannot be instantly 
rewarded with numbers. But if you 
have commitment then that vision 
is something you must follow 
otherwise the development 
direction will be difficult. 
 
The main area that McLaren 
needed to focus on was making 
sure that Honda had the opendesign 
opportunity for its 
installation requirements. You 
can’t expect a power-unit 
manufacturer to get the best from 
its product if its hands are tied. 
 
This is the reason why works 
teams exist. Everyone at Mercedes 
and Ferrari work together for one 
goal and in reality it’s where the 
Red Bull team and Renault tripped 
up. Red Bull got too big for its 
boots and blatantly criticised 
Renault to the extent that the 
relationship fell on stony ground. 
 
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A five-point plan to save McLaren-Honda 
All eyes are on whether the MP4-31 can move the once-dominant alliance closer 
to the old glory days than its dismal position at the back of the grid in 2015 
By Ben Anderson, Grand Prix Editor 
 
One of the beauties of 
motorsport is that 
each new season offers 
a fresh start, a chance 
to forget the travails 
of the previous year and begin again 
– driven by new ideas, inspired by 
new developments, and imbued 
with the giddy optimism only 
a winter of hard graft and soulsearching 
can provide. 
 
McLaren-Honda will have been 
doing more soul-searching than 
most over the winter and, as the 
wraps came off its 2016 challenger 
last Sunday, the mood around the 
MP4-31 appeared to be one of 
modest optimism. Perhaps McLaren 
has learned its lesson. Last year’s 
unveiling of the first McLaren- 
Honda Formula 1 car since 1992 
was full of talk about ‘extreme’ 
and ‘innovative’ developments, 
designed to challenge Mercedes’ 
undisputed F1 dominance. 
 
That challenge was never 
expected to be immediate – 
everyone knows Rome wasn’t built 
in a day – but McLaren expected 
to be at least competitive enough to 
match its fifth-place finish in the 
2014 constructors’ championship. 
 
The much-trumpeted ‘size-zero’ 
MP4-30 came nowhere close, beset 
by a litany of reliability problems 
and a severe lack of performance at 
pretty much every race. McLaren- 
Honda scored fewer than 20 per 
cent of the points needed to achieve 
its bare-minimum ambition in 2015 
and took a big financial hit. 
 
It was undoubtedly a poor 
season, perhaps the poorest in 
McLaren’s illustrious history. 
This year simply must be better. 
McLaren cannot afford to carry 
on languishing in the winless 
wilderness it has occupied for 
three straight seasons now. The 
longer this goes on, the less 
likely it is McLaren will ever 
return to winning ways. 
 
But the dawn of this new season, 
the launch of its new car, and the 
hatching of new plans bring fresh 
hope the team can get back on track. 
 
McLaren is one of only four 
teams using full-factory engines in 
Formula 1 now, so a top-four finish 
in the championship should be the 
minimum target for the McLaren- 
Honda alliance. 
 
Once it has learned to walk, 
perhaps it can begin to think about 
running at the front once again. 
 
1 POWER PLAY 
 
Honda took most of the heat 
for last year’s struggles, having 
failed to produce an engine reliable 
or powerful enough to challenge 
Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault. 
 
There was improvement through 
the season, to the point where 
Honda felt its V6 combustion 
engine was at least a match for 
Renault’s, but severe unsolved 
weaknesses with the Energy 
Recovery Systems meant much 
of that progress remained masked. 
 
It is a complex process to 
improve these hybrid engines, 
because of the interdependent 
loop of energy that envelops the 
combustion engine (and the limited 
amount of fuel used to power it), 
the MGU-K (for recovering kinetic 
energy under braking), the MGU-H 
(for recovering energy from the 
exhaust gases), the battery (used 
to store and deploy this recovered 
energy) and all the other associated 
components that link it all together. 
Change one element, such as the 
turbocharger, and you create a 
knock-on effect with the rest. 
 
Honda identified the compressor, 
turbo and MGU-H as the main 
offenders in compromising its ERS 
last year, but said it could not find 
an adequate solution within the 
confines of the tight aerodynamic 
packaging on the MP4-30. 
Inefficiency in this area leads to 
excess heat, which leads to failures 
when chassis packaging is tight 
and leaves little room for cooling. 
 
Honda believes it is still possible 
to fix this problem without 
compromising the aggressive 
aerodynamic philosophy of the 
car, and the fact that the MP4-31 
has retained the tight aerodynamic 
packaging of its predecessor 
supports this presumption. Honda 
motorsport chief Yasuhisa Arai 
confirmed winter modifications 
to the power-unit hardware – 
and specifically the compressor 
– upon the launch of the new car. 
 
Honda will surely take 
encouragement from the massive 
step Ferrari took with its ERS 
performance last winter. Indeed, 
star driver Fernando Alonso 
suggested McLaren-Honda suffered 
the same problems in its first year 
under these rules that Ferrari and 
Renault struggled with in 2014. 
 
If Honda can find a similar size 
of improvement to Ferrari’s 2015 
effort, the alliance will vault up the 
grid instantly. McLaren has publicly 
stated it has no Plan B, so simply 
has to maintain faith that Honda 
can get things right. 
 
2 SUSPENDED ANIMATION 
 
For all the obvious flak directed 
at Honda last season, it’s also fair to 
say that McLaren did not produce 
the best chassis on the grid. In fact, 
racing director Eric Boullier ranked 
it “sixth or seventh” (of 10) at the 
start of last year. That clearly isn’t 
good enough for a team with a 
history of building winning cars. 
 
But there were some encouraging 
signs as the season progressed. 
Aerodynamic development was 
fast and fruitful, benefiting from 
Red Bull-inspired philosophies 
introduced since Peter Prodromou 
returned to Woking to head up 
McLaren’s engineering team. By 
season’s end, Boullier reckoned 
the MP4-30 was inferior only to the 
Mercedes W06 and the Red Bull 
RB11 aerodynamically, and felt the 
aerodynamics under development 
for 2016 were worth another two 
to three tenths of a second even 
before the end of last season. 
 
Alongside this constant 
incremental aerodynamic 
improvement, the next big step 
looks likely to come through 
vehicle dynamics. This has been 
an area of weakness for McLaren 
throughout its current barren spell, 
which stretches all the way back 
to the 2012 Brazilian Grand Prix. 
 
Both Alonso and team-mate 
Jenson Button complained about 
poor ride over kerbs and instability 
under braking last year, areas in 
which even midfield squads such 
as Toro Rosso and Force India 
were outperforming McLaren. 
 
The team experimented with 
different suspension configurations 
during free practice for the final 
race of last season in Abu Dhabi, 
with mixed results. Solving 
these problems with improved 
suspension will give the drivers 
more confidence in the car 
underneath them, and the result 
will undoubtedly be faster laptimes. 
 
3 MOTIVATING THE MOTIVATORS 
 
In Alonso and Button, McLaren has 
a driver line-up of world champion 
quality, which has started more 
grands prix collectively than any 
other pairing on the grid. Like all 
world champions, these two are 
driven to win and will be restless 
if starved of success for too long. 
 
Alonso was recruited from 
Ferrari on a three-year contract 
at great expense to Honda, while 
Button is entering the final season 
of his current deal. 
 
Both have spoken repeatedly 
about enjoying the challenge of 
trying to haul McLaren-Honda 
up the grid, and stunts such as 
sneaking onto the podium during 
the Brazilian Grand Prix weekend 
have injected a welcome dose 
of humour to a tense situation. 
But both have also vented their 
frustration at times. 
 
Alonso’s derisory comments 
about Honda’s ‘GP2 engine’ during 
last year’s Japanese Grand Prix have 
been well publicised, while Button 
admitted at the end of last season 
that he hadn’t enjoyed mostly 
watching rivals disappear into the 
distance – hardly surprising when 
you’ve won 15 races, visited the 
podium 50 times in your F1 career, 
and been champion of the world… 
 
Alonso admitted he was below 
par last year, and McLaren agrees 
there is more to come from its star 
driver. Button also performs better 
when pushed hard by the other 
side of the garage. These two are 
both in their mid-thirties, so are 
short of time, and McLaren-Honda. 
 
is currently wasting their talents 
with sub-standard equipment. The 
MP4-31 needs to be good enough 
to encourage Alonso to access his 
best stuff, which in turn will force 
Button to raise his game to keep up. 
 
There is really no point in 
spending millions of pounds to 
employ top drivers if your car 
is only good enough to drone 
around at the back of the grid. 
 
4 THE CAPITO EFFECT 
 
McLaren does not expect to get 
its hands on Volkswagen’s exiting 
motorsport chief until late spring, 
but it will be interesting to see 
what the man who has led VW’s 
utter dominance of the World Rally 
Championship can bring to F1. 
 
Jost Capito’s previous F1 
experience (at Sauber and Ford) is 
all well and good, but he hasn’t been 
involved in top-level single-seater 
racing since Ford supplied Jordan 
with engines in the early 2000s, 
so McLaren clearly hasn’t signed 
him for any particular F1 expertise. 
 
What he does bring is a record of 
sustained recent domination in the 
WRC with VW and, perhaps more 
importantly, a track record 
of working successfully within 
several of the world’s largest 
automotive manufacturers. 
 
McLaren’s relationship with 
Honda remains a work in progress, 
and the feeling within McLaren 
is that Capito possesses a skillset 
and strength of personality that 
will accelerate that progress. 
 
His skill is in managing strong 
personalities and unifying the 
organisations he works for. He can 
relate just as well to the highestlevel 
board members of a major 
manufacturer as he can to the 
mechanics whose work helps to 
deliver the success that keeps those 
board members engaged. Whether 
Capito can translate his talent to 
an organisation of McLaren- 
Honda’s thousands (rather than 
the VW rally squad’s hundreds) 
of people remains to be seen. 
 
With chief operating officer 
Jonathan Neale moving into a new 
role, supporting chairman Ron 
Dennis’s work within McLaren’s 
wider operations, the team needs 
a motorsport-literate manager 
to fill the void. 
 
Racing director Eric Boullier 
has his hands full getting 
McLaren-Honda working on-track 
competitively and representing 
McLaren’s interests in the paddock; 
Capito will be able to draw on his 
political nous and board-level 
experience at VW to provide a 
welcome bridge between the racing 
operation, factory and senior figures 
at McLaren and Honda, bolstering 
the leadership that is crucial to 
success for any F1 operation. 
 
For an organisation that has 
often seemed cold and calculating, 
perhaps Capito’s human touch is 
just what is needed to steer the 
ship through troubled waters. 
 
5 KEEPING THE FAITH 
 
McLaren only has to glance 
a few garages up the pitlane, at 
Williams, to see what becomes 
of a champion team that spends 
too long in the doldrums. 
 
A dark near-decade of 
underachievement transformed 
a squad of world champion stock 
from regular frontrunner to 
perennial midfielder. Williams is 
much improved under the current 
regulations, as two consecutive 
top-three finishes in the 
constructors’ world championship 
attest, but in reality it is punching 
above its weight against betterfunded 
rivals, and is fighting to 
take what remains a giant leap 
back to the very front of the grid. 
 
McLaren has mighty facilities, 
a works engine deal and a big 
budget, but extending its longest 
winless run since 1994-96 will 
only increase the chances of 
more sponsors leaving, finances 
squeezing further, and staff feeling 
more demoralised. Success breeds 
a culture of success and a winning 
mentality; sustained failure does 
precisely the opposite. 
 
Even after producing two 
consecutively competitive cars, 
Williams has wrestled with the 
ghosts of a small-team mentality, 
trying to rediscover the tactical 
nous, operational sharpness and 
sheer self-belief needed to win. 
 
McLaren needs to beware of 
following its fellow British team, 
because the road to recovery is 
long and arduous if great teams are 
starved of success for too long. 
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Ahi queda eso, pero !OJO! es un ingles el que lo dice......... 
 
Un saludo 
 
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		 (29-02-2016, 16:30)richardbil escribió:  
 
Es Dios, esta en todos lados........       
media hora en un y media hora en otro.
 
dice "a partir de las 00:00"
 
la idea es que te chupes el programa entero.
	  
	
	
	
	
 
 
	
	
	
		
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		 (29-02-2016, 14:13)payoloco escribió:  ... 
 
No se, yo no entiendo tanta declaración poniendonos tan abajo a no ser que este año el mensaje sea precisamente ese: máxima humildad, expectativas cero, y si salen bien las cosas pues mejor que mejor, pero "más Arais" no.  
 
... 
 
Lo que no tiene nada que ver con que lo consigan o no. 
 
Pero no quieren más ridículos como los del año pasado.
	  
	
	
 
 
	
	
 
 
	 
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